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Sep. 8th, 2013

Thanks to everyone who commented on the post I did about GazettE fan meet-ups. There were a LOT of good opinions expressed. Among the people who contacted me was a representative of a group that's already talking about Gaze fan activities; they figure online meetups should happen first, and then, if there's enough interest, in-person meetups. I'll be helping them with that.

And meanwhile, regarding the Not-Quite-World Tour . .  I'm hearing some pretty appalling things about fan behavior. I don't mean the airport photography. (Though I hear there's been some photographing and filming of the lives themselves after the band and staff asked people not to do it, and now rumors are circulating that the Mexico setlist was shortened because of that. Not quite sure how true that is, if at all). I mean the way I've seen a couple of people acting toward those who expressed unhappiness at not being able to see the band in their country. At least one person has been answering every one of these with a curt "You want to see them? Go to Japan!"

Um, yeah, it is NOT that easy. Going to Japan, at least for North Americans, is a HUGE investment of time and money. It is a LONG and EXPENSIVE flight, for one thing. Once you're there, you can't just stay a few days and leave - there's such a huge time difference that your body needs to adjust to the jet lag. (And besides, you don't want to just stay a few days after that flight!) So you're looking at a 10-day to two-week commitment in most cases. Then there's the matter of paying for not only the flight but also accommodations, food, attractions and shopping, plus the live itself. Like I said, HUGE commitment. For Gazefans who are in college or younger, it's impossible. Even for adults with a full-time job, it may or may not be doable, depending on how much they make and their company's leave policy. When I went to Japan - and this was to visit a friend who was living there at the time - the trip was in the planning stages for six months before it actually happened. Why am I going to Munich during the Not-Quite-World Tour instead of to Japan? Because Europe is a LOT more accessible and affordable for people who live in my neck of the woods.

Now, I don't know if the person ordering everyone to go to Japan is someone who travels there regularly - maybe she has a well-paying job with a generous leave policy. If she does, more power to her - but she's got to remember that not everyone is in her boat. In fact, she is the severe exception to the rule.

Oh, and the other kind of behavior I was appalled with? Rumors of fans pushing and shoving at concerts and at least one report of a regular ticket holder trying to steal someone's VIP Ticket badge. Really? Wasn't that kind of thing what put the band off last time they toured overseas? The band hasn't said anything about it yet (maybe they weren't aware), but I imagine if they hear enough about it, they'll retreat back to touring in Japan only for a good long time.

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venomousliberty
Sep. 9th, 2013 03:00 am (UTC)
Wow. The fandom is in shits these days because of the World Tour. I hope it's not going to cause too much trouble with the band. And as for the person who said that people who want to see the GazettE should go to Japan, she should go live in a third world country or anywhere far from Japan without money and find out how it's almost close to impossible to go there. Sorry that not all people are capable of going to Japan like her.

It's really nice that the band is willing to give an overseas tour a shot, but some people have to be mature and respect what the band and their management are asking, seriously. *shakes head*
puss_nd_boots
Sep. 9th, 2013 03:20 am (UTC)
Yeah, I know. They haven't said anything about their airport shots, but when they ask people not to film during the actual lives? Then you don't film during the lives. Period. Some people who went to the Mexico shows said there was a full camera crew filming - probably they're going to do a DVD from the Not-Quite-World Tour, with a few songs from each show. That means everyone who went will be able to get a souvenir of their experience that's a lot more high quality than the fan stuff.

People have got to realize that they can't come to EVERY country that wants to see them on a single tour. Maybe their game plan is to do South America and Europe this year and then North America and the rest of Asia next year. We don't know.
venomousliberty
Sep. 9th, 2013 03:34 am (UTC)
Ah, really, what's the point of going to a concert if all you're going to do is to take photos and videos. That sucks. It spoils the fun for the fans who are there for music and for the artists as well. The airport shots, I can somehow understand, but not the filming during the live. -_-

Well, I really hope they'd do that. Tour the rest of the world, go to the USA as well. I know it's not that easy but it'll be really nice if they could make that possible.
gaussianblur89
Sep. 9th, 2013 06:02 am (UTC)
I call bullshit. The rumours spread around the web shouldn't be taken too seriously unless they come directly from a reliable source ex the gazemen themselves. Also I don't think they'd pull such a dick move on the fans. But in the end, what do I really know? So far they seem to have been enjoying themselves.
And I personally think ot is refreshing with a little anarchy regarding the 'no pictures during' rule. I'm not saying it is okay to break every rule and disrespect authority if explicitly told NO but otherwise this behaviour is true to the rock spirit. :D I think the Gazemen like to see some controlled disorder. I'm saying this because I know if I tried to pull these stunts in Helsinki I'd be lynched... Trolololol~
Anywho. I think people need to relax and enjoy themselves while they're touring. They are adult men and can take care of themselves. :D People tend to forget this...
puss_nd_boots
Sep. 9th, 2013 12:25 pm (UTC)
Well, we know now that the set list shortening rumor was bullshit, because someone posted a picture of the Chile set list to Tumblr, and it was identical to the Mexico one. Sounds like that's the set they're keeping for the whole tour. (And for all we know, their "normal" shows in Japan are the same length - we usually just get to see the tour finales on DVD).
aterrorizarte
Sep. 9th, 2013 06:16 am (UTC)
Well, south america is what it is. Not too certain about Mexico but there's gonna be riot on this leg of the tour for sure. I'm seeing the band the day after tomorrow in Argentina and I already know what it's gonna be like. I don't think anyone mentioned but the venue is in a ROUGH neighborhood. And still, people are queueing already. I'm pretty sure the band have been schooled about it too. Sadly, the behavior here is nothing, NOTHING like Japan. And as much as I want the band to feel comforted and welcome, they're also going to experience this chaotic, reckless side of the fandom too. It is what it is, it's not going to get any classier. I personally wouldn't want to invade them or touch them or anything... but people WILL sneak cameras in, they will scream at them, they will reach out and go out of their way for a glimpse. Because regardless of the fan behavior, it's really up to them whether they want to come back or not. And last time they toured, it wasn't the fans they complained about - it was the fact that they weren't aknowledged as a rock band, but rather, as a Japanese culture accessory. Well, now they're gonna see it: they're a rock band with crazy fans that are desperate for a taste of them. We'll see when they're done.
puss_nd_boots
Sep. 9th, 2013 12:38 pm (UTC)
Lining up already? Holy crap. O_O I've heard that about other stops on the tour, though - someone going to the Paris live said that people were going to start lining up the day before. And I hadn't heard that about why they didn't come back - I'd heard it was because of fans being violent in the audience. Your explanation makes a lot of sense, though! I can see how they would have been treated as "specimens of Japanese culture" rather than a real band.
coffee_nosesock
Sep. 9th, 2013 06:20 am (UTC)
thus why I am staying the fuck out of this...lately I've been not even saying I like them anymore cuz I can't deal with all the amounts of stupid... I think people drink it like water =( but yeah the fandom is making me sad
puss_nd_boots
Sep. 9th, 2013 12:43 pm (UTC)
The sad thing is, the stupid is the minority of the fandom. The problem is, they're a very loud and obnoxious minority. They make us all look bad, and it's accounted for the reputation of the GazettE fandom among other J-rock fans (I once saw someone say on a general fandom message board, "The GazettE fandom attracts 12-year-olds and people who act like 12-year-olds.")
coffee_nosesock
Sep. 9th, 2013 07:12 pm (UTC)
I think I have just a handful of people that like GazettE I can even stand anymore
to me they're turning into what the Dir en grey fandom turned into and it makes me sad
and yeah it sucks that everyone makes us look bad~ it's like I just want to scream "I AM NOT LIKE THEM"
ruruu
Sep. 9th, 2013 04:40 pm (UTC)

I hope you won't suffer from shock over here too (>.. <) last time Gazette came to Europe I was still living with my parents and there were girls much younger. They tend to get really hyped and they screamed a lot. It was not to compare with a live in Japan. The band seemed to enjoy the intensive screaming very much though as much as I remember. Especially Aoi who made gestures like 'Huh? Can't hear you!'

puss_nd_boots
Sep. 9th, 2013 04:51 pm (UTC)
Screaming fans I definitely don't mind - the enthusiasm is part of it! I kind of figured the European fans would be screaming and going nuts instead of doing the furi in perfect unison. ~_^ It's all well and good until someone gets hurt, though, and that's what I'm concerned about - if it's really true that regular ticket holders are physically assaulting VIP ticket holders to get their badges, that is most definitely Not Cool. (I really hope that particular story was just a minor incident that got blown out of proportion by the rumor mill).
ruruu
Sep. 9th, 2013 04:54 pm (UTC)

Oh and also drinking beer is allowed at the age of 16 in Germany and it is Oktoberfest time so there are chances that some young girls might show up drunk at the live.  But usually the is a securitiy servive who will handle them and deliver them outside lol

loverofkoi
Sep. 11th, 2013 10:18 am (UTC)
Ok...this is how I feel.
Love the Gazette but I'm not understanding why they are not allowing pictures or videos. I'm sure lots of people want to capture that moment they finally got to see their favorite performer in concert. Also I don't know why so many people are getting angry and upset that people are taking pictures of them when they are at airports and such when this happens to celebrities all around the world! We have to show them respect but Lady Gaga gets snapped like crazy. Just my 2 cents. What's makes them so different from other bands/celebrities??
puss_nd_boots
Sep. 11th, 2013 01:05 pm (UTC)
I don't have any problem with the airport photos at all. I think they've been a very amusing window into the boys' unguarded moments. (Ruki making the miraculous discovery of Dunkin Donuts and bringing a box to Uruha!)And you're definitely right that paparazzi take these kinds of pictures of mainstream celebrities all the time and are a lot less kind and respectful than these fans have been. (Plus, the boys haven't voiced any objection to these pictures yet, and you KNOW they've seen them all over Twitter).

Photos and videos during the shows are a bit more of a thorny area. I think fans should definitely be able to capture those moments for their own use, or to share with friends. But if the band's staff explicitly says no videos during the show, that's another matter. However, I actually don't think those orders are coming from the Gazemen themselves - I don't think they would have a problem at all with fans preserving the memories. I think it's coming from the Almighty PSC. There have been reports of big, film-a-DVD cameras at the international lives. PSC is probably going to get a big, expensive disc out of this, and they're probably paranoid that the fangirls aren't going to buy it if they have self-shot footage. (Which is kind of absurd - the fans will still pay for professionally-shot video).
lady_sb
Sep. 14th, 2013 03:19 am (UTC)
Alright, I am just going to make a one-time comment, because I think there are some things that should be dispelled.

I am a foreign fan and a very old fan of jrock in general, and I found The GazettE in 2004, but I have been a fan of X Japan and Dir en grey for ages. I find that no matter how much the fandom grows, some comments just remain.

Do you know why people make that "You want to see them, go to Japan comment?". Because some of us are sick of how entitled some foreign fans feel. It is not just The GazettE, its every single band (Dir en grey is the worst). Its some foreign fans feel like they deserve to have the band come to their country.

I even read this one live report that went something like "FOREIGN FANS DESERVE IT". As sorry as I am to say, we don't. We don't deserve a damn thing. We are not special, we shouldn't be given privileges, we should be treated the same as every Japanese fan.

And amazingly, a lot of foreign fans find that EXTREMELY hard to swallow that no, they are not special little cupcake.

Also to be frank, lives in Japan, experiencing lives in Japan is different from when they go overseas for some bands. Some bands become quiet, some become more verbose, it really depends. So if you can go to see them, you might find that the live is just different.

And its not because the fans are better. People have the perception that Japanese fans are ordered and polite. I've encountered some that are downright nasty as well, I have had nails dug into my arms, and some will rip earrings off as well.

So if you are a fan, and you have the chance, you should go see them in Japan, because sometimes it is completely different experience than seeing them overseas. That is the positive way to see that "Go see them in Japan" comment.

I know a lot of people who travel regularly to Japan for lives, we are tiny but we are not a severe exception like you say.

Yes we are based in Asia, which does make it easier to go for shorter trips (In my case I went to Japan in June to see cali gari, I am going at the end of this month for Sadie and a longer 10-day break at the end of the year for The GazettE). But please also remember that our currency is not as strong as Western countries, especially if you live in a developing country. Hell, you live in Singapore and its still expensive.

I earn a decent living and my leave is 15 days. I am hardly extremely well off to the point where I don't need to work. But I still manage to go. I always think that people want to go, they could eventually. Planning for 6 months is nothing, I have a live in 2015 I am already planning for.

PS: Lives in the DVD are shorter than the actual live, even for the 10th Anniversary live, they cut some.
puss_nd_boots
Sep. 15th, 2013 02:08 am (UTC)
Thank you for providing the other perspective! I do agree that a lot of fans have WAY too much of an entitlement complex, and that it's unrealistic to expect Japanese bands to tour in every single country. (Heck, we're lucky GazettE is doing what they're doing).

The reason I took exception to the "go to Japan" comment is because so much of the fanbase in North America is young - college age or younger. They're looking at trying to start new careers in an economy that's still slumping - the U.S., especially, is crawling its way back to its feet very slowly. For us oldtimers who have been at our jobs for awhile, we can afford to take a couple weeks off work and make the trip - but the younger ones aren't going to be able to afford it timewise or moneywise. (America is notoriously stingy with vacation time, especially for new hires - most places only give a week's vacation your first couple of years).

But I think we can definitely agree that going to Japan to see your favorite band is a goal worth working toward, even if it's a once-in-a-lifetime experience. (And you're very lucky to have a shorter distance to travel to Japan!)

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