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So it seems that some Twilight fanficcer took her epic pr0n fic, changed the names and enough details that Stephanie Meyer wouldn't sue, and self-published it. And the damn thing became a viral E-book phenomenon. (Lots of links to articles about this thing here: http://fanthropology.livejournal.com/501585.html )

I have several thoughts about this:

1. Okay, lots of people have been ripping this woman's head off for profiting from fanfic. However, she's not the first person to have "filed the serial numbers off" - there's rumors that the best-selling Outlander series began life as Doctor Who fanfic. (Which makes the author's later banning of fanfic from her books ironic, but hey). However . . .
2. I'm kinda disturbed by the content of this book. It's supposedly a BDSM romance. Oookay, so your starting point is Twilight, a book series that portrays a hideous power imbalance between its couple. Throw the trappings of BDSM on top of that, and what you have is something that's a lot closer to abuse than consensual kink. (It's been said that in BDSM, the sub holds the real power. In Twilight, Bella holds no power at all). Ultimately, this seems to be Yet Another Bad BDSM Fanfic By Someone Who Doesn't Understand The Concept. And this is being sold to women outside fandom - who would not have had exposure to the (few) examples of good BDSM fic by people who know what they're talking about - as a HAWT fantasy? That's more distressing than Twilight itself.
3. On the other hand, I am amused as hell at the mainstream media falling all over itself at the concept of OMG, WOMEN READ AND WRITE PORN!!11!!111!!! HOLY CRAP, IT'S BEING READ BY OLDER WOMEN, TOO!!111!!!11!!! (One of the popular media descriptors for this . . . thing is "Mommy Porn.") And, dear God, PORN MAKES WOMEN WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS!!1111!!!!!!111!! And I just laaaaaaugh. Come over to fandom, press pundits, and we'll show you very porny things that have been written and enjoyed by women of all age groups for decades. They go back before the Internet, even - there were K/S fanzines before most of you were even born. (A pairing that personally makes me cringe, because, well, it's SHATNER, but hey). Hell, we can even show you some well-researched, well-written examples portraying relationships with healthy power balances - what a concept!

Oh, and the thing that made me laugh most of all? A so-called erotica publishing expert, in one of those links, saying, "In erotica, plot comes first, the sex is secondary." HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA (choke) HAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA (wheeze) HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA . . .


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Mar. 21st, 2012 01:19 pm (UTC)
Oh wow, mainstream, badly written BDSM...NOOOOOOOO!!! -____- As if there weren't enough bad things in twilight to start with...

My only slight comfort in this is that if its aimed at an older audience then maybe some of the readers will have enough judgement not to take everything in there for factual evidence. I mean, I can make a long-ass list of reasons why twilight is a piece of sexist, racist, religious propaganda and why most young girls without enough education to realize how terrible it is should be shielded from it. The things I've heard girls say about twilight...brrrrr, its rather frightening.

And the surprise at how women are pretty good consumers of porn just made me die of laughter XD Good lord, its not because we don't buy films in sex shops or porn mags that we don't consume it, its just that we'd rather watch/read it online XD There was this other article from the Toronto star about publishing house scouts checking out fanfic to find new erotica writers...I wonder if they ever check out j-rock fandom? Because if so well we should get ready to be offered a book deal XDDDD

That erotica publisher probably was a harlequin romance specialist, because that quote gave me about the same level of reaction as yours: BWAHAHAHAHA *snorts* HAHAHAHA *rolls around on the floor* HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *coughs*

Awesome plot, terrible sex? Hmm, I think I'll pass, thanks o_o
Mar. 21st, 2012 05:43 pm (UTC)
But even Twilight has a huge following of grown-up women. I've seen a large number of adult women (who I think should know better) swoon over Edward and his creepy stalkery ways and his icky control issues. So, sadly, it's not only teenagers who say those things. :(

I've been a huge consumer of porn through the years, but the big reason I don't buy films is that the market is overrun by het porn, and I just want the gay porn and it's hideously expensive! So, it's much easier for women to write their own. :) And then I get to "see" my fave rockers have sex... not some guys I don't know and don't care about. *grin*

Haha! We can forgive a lot of bad plot as long as the sex is good and the characters at least recognizable, right?
Mar. 21st, 2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah *sighs* I've seen quite a few soccer moms that also think that two male characters talking about drugging up a teenage girl and forcibly aborting her baby without her consent is totally normal (flat out of the goddamn book, I shit you not...EEEK!) Or that a grown man falling in love with a baby and grooming her for a relationship through her toddler years is cute and endearing...EEEEEEEeeeK! But I have hope. Its tenuous hope at best, but I know there's some smart soccer moms out there, heck, my own mother was one, and she's one badass bitch...

And I have such a long history with porn its not even funny, my friends ask me for recommendations, all the goddamn time (and I recommend fanfic with gusto ^^) But yeah I'm not a big consumer of the run-of-the-mill het porn, I'd much rather read about my fav j-rockers, any day ;)

Did you know "PWP" is one of my favourite letter combos XD I mean, I love a good plot AND good sex, but my thoughts on this are that if you can't write a good story, at least make the sex worth my time XD
Mar. 21st, 2012 07:32 pm (UTC)
It really is quite, quite! disturbing to hear people talk about shit like that as if it's perfectly normal and *romantic*! The grooming thing is something I could write as incredibly dysfunctional kink-fic I probably have, actually; I wrote a lot of dysfunctional incest in HP fandom but there's not a chance in hell it could ever be seen as okay! *shudder*

Oh! Your mum is a badass bitch? So's mine! It's so awesome! She raised me to be one too, but then I met my ex and it all went to hell. I'm relearning my bitchy ways now, though. :D

LOL! Um, my abusive ex and I used to watch 3-4 porn vids every weekend for a few years... and kept a note book with rankings. LOL Very few got 4 stars, and a 5 star porn vid was rare! But yeah... *cough* It gets old and boring. And gay porn is so much more fun. ;) I just wish that Reita would release the secret sex tapes of Uruha ad Kai... Since he was totally hiding in the closet filming them while they had sex. Yep. :|D

It's a very nice letter combination! I once swore to write Teh Best Kink Evar out of spite and I'm working hard on that! LOLOL I sometimes try to write non-porn, but... But interestingly, often when I set out to write a PWP, plot creeps in, so I've been joking that PWP means Porn With Plot for me. ;)
Mar. 21st, 2012 08:08 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, in the book its totally normal and "awww so cute" *hurls* I made myself read the entire thing, and its full of other such dangerous nonsense.

My mom is the most badass bitch of them all XD She has to be, she's 5 feet tall, weighs about 45kg and she has five foul tempered daughters XD And she's a loudmouth, no one can talk shit to her. Some of her inspiring speeches to me and my sisters include:

"Don't ever let a man tell you what to do."
"Gender isn't about what's between your legs."
"Homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality."
"Being female doesn't make you weak."
"If they piss you off, kick them where it hurts."

And other such enlightening words. She also made us take self defence classes. I love my mom, she's amazing. Seriously, no one messes with me or my sisters, especially not when were together at family events XD The bitchy way is the way to go sweetie ;) You'll get there, don't worry :D

Yeah het gets old fast, although there are some good ones it really depends on the skill level of the actors and the crew. And I think its the same with gay porn, when its well done...unf! Once you get your hands on those sex tapes, I hope you will share XD

Oh dear, welcome to the club. All my non porn ends up porny anyway, even if it there was no reason for it in the first place, my pervy brain will just conjure one up randomly. So I guess its mostly porn with plot with me too XD
Mar. 21st, 2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
Brrrr. I've read some of the discussion about that book, thing... and I have turned away in disgust. I think I have pretty much the same feeling as you regarding the whole BDSM concept in it. A big fat DNW! *sigh* Sadly, I've seen even grown, definite non-teen women swoon over the "romance" in Twilight, so I have a feeling this book is going to gather the same kind of crowd readers. :( People who know about BDSM will back away slowly. *g*

And wow. Media always throws this "OMG! WOMEN WRITE PORN!!!11!one!" thing every time they "discover" it! They've done it with Harry Potter too. And it gets fucking old. Yes, we like sex, we like to read about it, and we like to write about it. Get over it! Women actually have a sex drive and fantasy too!

Plot comes first? O.o Um... yeah, sure. In romance novels. But even in Harlequin bodice rippers, the plot is really just there to hang the sex on.
Mar. 21st, 2012 06:38 pm (UTC)
Sure, and then you get through all the boring plot to the most boring, missionary, vanilla sex scene, where the girl's nipples are described as "ripe cherries" HAHAHAHA *snorts* Fanfic all the way for me, thank you very much XD
Mar. 21st, 2012 07:19 pm (UTC)
LOL! And if it's a guy, they are, of course, "flat, male nipples". *snort*

I'm so not a vanilla girl. Not even as a child... *shifty eyes* when I, at age 7, found my stepdad's stash of porn mags and my fave stories to read were the ones where someone was kidnapped and held captive and "tortured" in a tower... complete with clothes pins, ropes, and cries for help. I was a strange child. :D
Mar. 21st, 2012 07:49 pm (UTC)
Ooh don't forget about the "copper pennies" XD *snorting*

Oh I love vanilla...in frozen desserts XD The bedroom is another story...ahem...and this whole conversation on interesting childhood discoveries could get fairly embarrassing, I was a very, very curious child, especially when I pulled out my mother's copy of Anne Rice's "The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty" from the bookcase at age 9...ahem...Let me tell ya, it wasn't a children's book at all XD Strange child you say...naww, just healthy curiosity XD
Mar. 21st, 2012 10:16 pm (UTC)
Dang, my early educational material was rather tame. We're talking "potboiler" novels my mother innocently left in the bathroom, never thinking her innocent child would actually skim through them for the Good Parts. Ah, but my REAL education came when I found a novel called "Forth Into Light" in the library. It was another potboiler - except it was GAY MALE. And my naive self wondered why all the scenes of two men going at it were so much hotter than the stuff in my mother's books.

Oh, and late-night cable porn. Yes, I saw some of the gu-rin-du-hau-su stuff firsthand. (And late-night cable softcore always seemed to have the same plot -innocent girl falls in with a group of hedonists, spies on them having sex and ends up boinking everyone of both genders within 20 miles).
Mar. 22nd, 2012 06:13 pm (UTC)
This is horribly embarrassing, but all the romance books in my bookcase have little paper bookmarks at the "good parts" so that I can just go and pick one up randomly and get to the good stuff without having to go through the plot XD I'm a horrible human being haha And I think my first encounter with male x male porn happened at a bookstore when I was looking at some mangas and stumbled on a yaoi piece. I think I was 13-14. Half of my extended family is queer so I was comfortable with gay relationships, but I'd never really thought about gay porn. Good lord, you shouldve seen my face. I read the entire thing hunched between two shelves, blushing and sweating, because I was too shy to buy it XD Ahhh good times...

And I totally watched low budget, sci-fi, porn gu-rin-du-hau-su when my parents were asleep on those obscure channels XD I was a big fan of cheap horror flicks too until I turned into a complete scaredy-cat in my later years XD
Mar. 23rd, 2012 11:41 am (UTC)
HA, I've done the same thing. Except in my case, it was folded-down corners. (Yes, folks, Fifty Shades of WTF? is the first erotic book women have ever read. Yep, that's right. *headwall*)

See, late-night cable porn has a good effect! Girls who watch it grow up to be fanfiction writers! (If literary agents are really going to start sniffing around fanficcers, you could so totally sell them your devil and angel series as a novel. You wouldn't even have to do much "filing off the serial numbers," since it was an AU to start with.)
Mar. 23rd, 2012 01:09 pm (UTC)
All I would have to do is change the names, basically XD I'll wait for my seven figure deal LOL
Mar. 21st, 2012 06:01 pm (UTC)
Just to give you a taste of how bad it actually is...

Mar. 21st, 2012 06:55 pm (UTC)
*twitching on the floor*

I swear to god...this is so bad it gave me a seizure -___- It should come with a warning label "may cause: Nausea, hives, cold sweat, trembling, seizures, permanent damage to the optic nerve, murderous tendencies and an irrational desire to gouge out one's eyeballs." True story.

If shit like that gets published, then where the hell are our book deals XD
Mar. 21st, 2012 07:59 pm (UTC)
Add spontaneous fits of laughter to that list and you're golden! XD

That's a very good question, isn't it? ;)
Mar. 21st, 2012 08:09 pm (UTC)
Spontaneous fits of laughter if you have the cookie-monster-voiced, cracking up narrator XD Not so much if you read it by itself, although I couldnt imagine a reason for that whatsoever XDDDD
Mar. 21st, 2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
You make a very good point! XD Personally, I'm boggling over the fact that people would pay money for this, but, then again, Mills & Boone is ridiculously popular, isn't it? *sigh* And they're acting like women reading porn is a new thing... -_-;
Mar. 21st, 2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
Oooh! I can think of a good reason to read it yourself! Ever play Eye of Argon? It's when you get a bunch of friends in a circle, and you take a really BAD piece of fiction and take turns reading it aloud. If you laugh before the end of the page, you're out. It continues until only one, iron-willed person is left standing. (My group of friends used to do this at cons with bad Weiss Kreuz fanfic. Believe me, some of that was BAD).

This book would be the best Eye of Argon material EVER.
Mar. 22nd, 2012 06:03 pm (UTC)
Oh wow, there are some GEMS of horrible fanfic in the weiss kreuz fandom, good lord! It was one of the first yaoi fandoms I got into and the stuff I've read in there...even at 15 I thought it was bad so I really wonder how bad it would be now XD

I definitely have to try that game, and turn it into a drinking game of some sort XD
Mar. 23rd, 2012 11:34 am (UTC)
The fic I especially remember from playing Eye of Argon is one where Omi and Nagi were in a relationship and were going to move in together. They were going to buy a bed, but they had to make sure they had the RIGHT one - so they tested it out by having sex right in the middle of the furniture store. With other customers there. Oh, and I believe Omi serving cookies in a frilly apron was in there somewhere as well. That fic knocked half the players out of the game on the first round.
Mar. 23rd, 2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
WOW that sounds hideous XD I've read some pretty godawful Ken x Omi ones, but most of the Yohji x Aya was decent for some reason. Maybe all the good writers wanted to steer clear of pairings involving a borderline prepubescent geek boy haha XD I definitely have to play that game...
Mar. 21st, 2012 07:22 pm (UTC)
AHahhahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahahh! *gasp* Mwahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahhah... ahahahhah..ahahh...aa...a.... .... ... *dead*

Love the voice, and the porn feel of the background music. *g* Oh man... that's bad!
Mar. 21st, 2012 07:58 pm (UTC)
I think the thing I love the most is the way he cracks up because he can't believe what he's reading. XD

Oh, and his Cookie-Monster voice. :P
Mar. 21st, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)

Oh, my God, I think I'm going to pass out from laughing. THAT. IS. SO. BAD. It's like every fanfic sex scene cliche there ever was rolled into one. The Cookie Monster voice and soft porn score just make it MORE hilarious.

If you ever catch me having a character vocalize "Oh, jeez" in the middle of sex, especialy at the end of a string of obscenities, just shoot me.

Ha, I'll bet any one of us could write a bent-over-the-sink sex scene that's a billion times hotter.
Mar. 22nd, 2012 07:24 am (UTC)
Why, that almost sounds like a challenge to me! XD

Oh jeez. *shakes head* I'm thinking there wasn't en editor involved in this anywhere...
Mar. 22nd, 2012 05:59 pm (UTC)
Seriously, who the hell says "oh jeez" during sex...I can't even
Mar. 23rd, 2012 11:36 am (UTC)
It puts one in mind of either Sarah Palin or Napoleon Dynamite - both of which would be extreme mood-killers.
Mar. 23rd, 2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
HAHAHAHA *coughs* BWAHAHAHAAAaaaa *dead*
Mar. 23rd, 2012 12:52 pm (UTC)
Someone faking it? ;)
Mar. 23rd, 2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
Probably XD Although that kinda gives it away that you're faking it if you start saying "whoa" and "oh jeez" XD lol
Mar. 23rd, 2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
When your orgasmic dialogue sounds like the script from an '80s teen movie, you KNOW you're doing it wrong!
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